First date: Who pays?

First date: Who pays?

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Going Dutch? In the age of equality, who pays for dinner?

I make my living flying around the world, talking to women about how to take control of their money so they can afford their dream life. My friend Dylan was courting a lady. The relationship was fairly new. She had other plans.

Harry, “In my experience, girls want to split the bill. Maybe it’s an age thing? Fine by me – I’d never insult a girl by buying all the drinks, haha!” Paul.

A few years ago, I went out with a woman three times in a couple of weeks. The third date was brunch the morning after the second date. No big deal. An innocent mistake. She generously offered to pick up our next date. She called me at work the following day to tell me of a play that sounded like fun.

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Picture: Unsplash Source:Supplied. Splitting the bill on dates sets the precedent for a relationship, one where everything is straight down the middle. And where does that end? We had an amazing first date but things went downhill quickly after the bill arrived at the table and I got the expectant look.

Dating norms have changed, but, within heterosexual relationships, the idea of who You can split the bill evenly, or pay for what you ordered.

I said yes and lifted my handbag off the arm of my chair. Plucking my debit card out of my purse, I asked what else he does to further gender equality. He rolled his eyes before looking over his shoulder and beckoning for the waitress to bring the card reader over. Men are the biggest advocates of feminism when it comes to splitting the bill on a date. Get away from here with your broke self. Although the gender pay gap is very real, it would be wrong of me to assume that every guy I date is financially better off than I am.

The fact that women are disproportionately seen as the carers also plays a part. Saying that, in some cases, there is no other option but to have one parent give up work. Bridget Casey writes and tweets extensively about the financial impact that motherhood can have on women.

Should the Guy Always Pay?

To pay or not to pay? Young straight men share their opinions on footing the bill in a modern dating landscape of endless apps and professed gender equality. One recent evening, on a group ride back from the Bronx to Manhattan, a male friend voiced a controversial opinion: if we are really living in an age of aspirational gender equality, he said, why do women still expect men to open the doors for them, and why do we still have to pick up the bill on dates?

The entire car immediately erupted in cries of heated support and opposition. But across much of the US, my male car companion has a point. Facilitated by a boom in dating apps, young men searching for intimacy go on dates by the bucket load.

Offer to pay for her but if she is really persistent about it then just split the bill. There are some good reasons why a woman may insist on paying for herself.

In a perfect world, money would not be an issue. Or maybe if I had a perfect personality instead of my neurotic, analytical self , dating costs would not be an issue. Or maybe if we lived in a world where traditional female and male roles of nurturer and provider did not exist, then it would not be an issue. I see that there are two distinct periods where the behaviour is different and where who pays for the dating cost varies.

Now, I would not say that I am super traditional, but I do evaluate whether the guy is a cheapskate or if he is a gentleman. I am not a gold digger, far from it, but I do not want to be taken advantage of and I do not agree to expensive dates unless I was interested in the guy. So a cup of coffee or a quick bowl of ramen noodles is plenty impressive!

I always offer to pay and I am not that judgmental if on the first date, the guy accepts my payment of my own share. On a second date one time the first date, he ate a large meal and I just had a glass of wine I went for a quick meal with this guy who bragged he made over 6 figures. He ended up going to the bathroom at the end of the meal and the bill came maybe he really really needed to go to the bathroom, but I personally would make sure I hold it until after the bill comes.

Are men and women ready to split the bill on a first date?

Whatever dating in the past was, dating in the present is different. That arrangement may change as the relationship gets more stable and more desirable, but in the beginning, who pays is an awkward but necessary discussion. It pleases many women.

Strangely I think both men and women perpetuate this imbalance (I know as a guy I’ve insisted on paying when my date was probably okay with splitting the cost.

Poorna Bell used to believe that a man should always pay when on a first date. In one of mine — made up entirely of heterosexual women — we were discussing first dates , and how to split the bill. In fact, I was surprised at her, especially given that we are all women who earn our own money and are pretty vocal about female empowerment. I strongly believed that a man should pay because I felt it told you something about how much he liked you. If I can pay my own mortgage, electricity bills, put food on my table, and be a modern woman in every other sense, what good reason is there for me to expect a man to pay?

At the time I was a student and convinced myself it was okay because I had barely any money compared to him. In that sense, it takes away from your autonomy. When I brought the debate up with a friend, she brushed it off. Because what do traditional values actually mean? A couple of years ago, I went on a date with a guy I fancied to such mad, excited extremities that I thought I was going to throw up when I spied him through the restaurant window.

We had lunch, the conversation flowed smoothly, he paid. An almost imperceptible expression briefly clouded his face, but we went on to have a good time. At the end of the date, there was this incredible, Hollywood-style kiss. He said he wanted to go on a second date, but this date never transpired — he dropped all communication.

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Undressed is a column about gender, social norms, dating rules and what happens when we break them. Read the last Undressed here. When I started dating my very first boyfriend as a sophomore in high school, I was adamant that I pay for my own meals. This became such a point of contention that we eventually broke up over an otherwise enjoyable night of thai that he insisted on paying for. Once I started dating online after college, I found myself in many similar situations.

Or was I the one breaking the rules?

Mumsnet users debated the etiquette of splitting the cost of dating in the asks if he should keep dating a nurse who never offers to split the bill.

I vividly remember my first gay date. He was a large, muscular man with a deep voice that carried throughout the restaurant. He took me to a local sushi restaurant, where he ordered both his food and mine. This came as a shock, but I could tell that for him, it was a means of asserting dominance. When we finished, he grabbed the bill and told me not to worry about it.

Still, that was two years and dozens of dates ago, and I continue to be befuddled about how to approach the whole which-gay-pays standoff when the bill lands on the table. He also believes that footing the bill, especially if you asked the person out, is chivalrous and will always be appreciated. More on that later. At this point, I wanted to hear from queers themselves, so I published a not-entirely-scientific poll on Twitter asking which gay should pay, and splitting the bill took the lead with more than half of votes.

Michael , 26, agrees — with one caveat. Shaklee suggests pitching in with the tip of a meal or paying for drinks or dessert at the next stop.

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